Plato has the description of rhetoric to be flashy, he is saying as an analogy “it is a snickers bar, but energy bar” (maj. Garriott) he lists rhetoric as only dealing with questions that we can reach and answer through discourse and language. The rhetorical process is with answered and arguments to make the weakest argument the strongest. He doesn’t allow rhetoric to belong anywhere but does mention about allowing it in to the person with the weakest mind. Rhetoric studies the language and is for the study for fun