Classwork 10/12: Janet and Roger

Janet vs. Roger

Janet

-Widespread use of outside sources as facts

-Meta

-Literal and direct

-Dry

-Somewhat disjointed, but covers all major areas of discussion

Roger

-Active, exciting

-Applied use of knowledge discussed in paper

-Flowing and connected

 

Guide lines:

-Don’t just cite knowledge from others, apply knowledge you have gained

-Translate information into relevant scenarios or terms

-Prove literacy in subject area

-Write with confidence, and support that confidence with competency

-Treat sources as claims by other people, not facts written in stone

 

Homework 10-11

I am definitely a Roger when it comes to writing, but it may be the fact that I have overconfidence in my authority in most areas. I usually write in his style, not usually to meta and confident in my authority even when it based on little familiarity with the subject area. But even I recognized that confidence projects authority and gives credit to a person, at least in the eyes of their audience. As far as notes, I am also a Roger. My ideas come to me as I read and write, and the most I do is large scale organization and categorization. I write better when I familiarize myself with the subject and then just go.

10/7 In-Class Writing

What have you learned that you need to do for paper two from Kantz’s writing?

What did you learn about expectations for using secondary sources?

I have learned that no matter what source is used and no matter it’s credibility, the ‘facts’ or claims found within need to be analyzed logically and considered with all possible biases that could be held by the writer in mind. Even textbooks and completely academical studies need to be carefully reviewed and dissected within the paper to certify their validity. I have also learned that Major Garriott expects this process to be applied to all information used from secondary sources in order to prove its legitimacy.

 

  1. Anylize information from sources
  2. Consider biases of authors
  3. Consider intended audience
  4. Consider Author’s illocutionary acts

Rhetoric Essay: Stanford Universities Website

Stanford Engineering’s Website in the Engineering Discourse Community

Hayden Faust

Word Count: 1285

Help Received: See Work Cited

 

When most people think of academic communities, their first thought is of those involved with the social sciences, philosophy, politics or english. Sometimes even the theoretical sciences, such as physics or mathematics. But at first thought no one considers the engineering field to be a discourse community, with active members that debate and discuss topics or situations pertinent to engineers. Many of these groups are academic, such as Stanford University’s engineering college. A group made up of both students, who are new to the field, and professors, who are recognized experts in their subject, Stanford’s engineering college “…conducts research that continues to have a significant impact on society and trains the engineers of the future to meet the challenges of the 21st century”(About the School). This is the statement displayed on the front page of their website, a method of communication that is now frequently used by most communities or groups seeking to get information to the public. The website will almost surely be one of the first things that makes an impression on the outsider, as well as a source of news for members of the community. By examining Stanford’s engineering website, using Swales writings on discourse communities as a guideline, I will examine how it fits into the engineering discourse community as a tool for new members, and how it accomplishes its goals of preparing people to be engineers.  

 

As a method of public relations as well as an informational site for engineers, the language of the website is quite varied. On the outside, on pages where information about the visions and goals of the college is brazenly displayed, simple language is used with a mix of emotional words that evoke memories of most speeches or mission statements from non-profit public organizations. Through this mix the community attempts to make it clear to outsiders that they strive to solve all problems and that they love to diversify. But in John Swales’ writings about discourse communities, he creates six criteria that a community must meet to be considered a discourse community. The fifth one of these criteria is that a community must possess it’s own unique lexis that it has developed in order to cultivate more efficient communication between its members. Much in the same way a tool would work in an activity system as described by Cain and Wardle, group-specific lexis are naturally developed as a group focuses more and more on discussing their specific topic. Specific lexi appear commonly in the engineering community in the form of acronyms or short phrases, used to convey long names or complicated concepts respectively. These do appear on Stanford’s engineering website, once you look beyond the title pages and into the news articles posted on the website. Despite their catchy headlines, many of the articles use or relate to complicated theories or methods used in the engineering field, such as ‘machine learning’. In the lexis of engineers, this phrase is used to talk about computers that use algorithms to detect patterns and then adapt to better do their job based on the patterns they detect.Such language as this is found abundantly in the news articles, written by students and professors about work involving the school.The information and vocabulary within these articles is enough to identify the website as a fluent member of the discourse community, despite the use of simple language for recruitment purposes. This seems to be a conscious decision made with good reason. It makes sense for the website to use simple language that is easy for a non-member to understand, because it is critical that the website be able to attract non-members to the discourse community. The website’s goal, as it says, is to induct new members into the community and train them to be experts, fluent in the lexis. It does not expect them to be experts to begin with. In this way, straying from one of Swales main discerning factors for a discourse community is justified by the need of the website to achieve it’s goals, which are themselves important to the community.

 

A community can have all the language it wants, but it becomes useless if there is no means of communication. Intercommunication between community members is the backbone of any community, discourse or otherwise.This is an area where Stanford’s website seems lacking at first. But upon closer review in other areas of the website, it is soon discovered that communication is facilitated, just not in an obvious or conventional method. The website provides a calendar with the school’s upcoming events, news articles as previously mentioned, and ways to find out about collaborations with the school or alumnus projects. The calendar is a good communication tool, and while it only contains events related to Stanford it is still an important information source for outsiders. The news articles accomplish their goal well; they provide quick and easy access to research and experiments done by Stanford, if only at a basic level. Even the section dedicated to collaborations plays a critical role, as it creates a dedicated space for companies to contact Stanford and recruit their students. This is a very important function, as it bridges the gap between the education phase of an engineer’s life and their carer. This is essentially the gateway to the cultivation of Stanford’s goal, as it puts engineers in the field where they can begin to solve problems and “meet the challenges of the 21st century.”

 

But there is one notable area where the website fails to facilitate a discourse community. Intercommunication between members. Stanford’s engineering website provides no means or even connections to means for engineers, or even prospective engineers, to communicate and talk to each other. This is an important piece of the puzzle that is missing, since one of the principal purposes of a discourse community is to debate and discuss the things that bring the community together in the first place.I believe that the website voluntarily gives this up, however, so that it can better shift its attention to more important communication; communication between groups and institutions within the community in their entirety. As mentioned, the website features a page specifically for companies looking to hire engineers to contact them. It is displayed prominently in the ‘connect’ section, a whole system is set up and displayed so that groups looking to hire engineers can easily contact Stanford in order to partner and get graduates of the school jobs working in the field. A vital step in accomplishing their goal, but at the cost of shifting attention away from one of the defining characteristics of a discourse community.

 

At first glance, Stanford’s website may not seem like an important tool in a discourse community.Swales states as his second most important characteristic of a discourse community is that it “has methods of intercommunication among its members” (Swales 221). The website, although one of the most easily accessible resources about the community for those looking to enter, has nothing that facilitates this.  Upon further analysis, however, it becomes clear that it exists to play a role in an already developed and very intricate discourse community that extends beyond one institute . Stanford’s Website very clearly states the goal  of Stanford’s entire engineering department, the development and training of new engineers to meet new problem, but the goal of the website itself is not immediately clear. The website does not exist to create or manage discussion about engineering at all. Instead, through its use of plain language and focus on connecting both prospective students and companies seeking employees to the school, Stanford’s website fulfills its own goal of  spreading information to prospective engineers and helping them become inducted into the community.

 

Work Cited

Primary Source:

Stanford Engineering. Stanford University. 2016, engineering.stanford.edu.

 

Secondary Source

Wardle, Elizabeth and Downs, Doug. Writing about Writing.

Bedford/St. Martin’s, 2014.

Swales, John. “The Concept of Discourse Community.” Genre Analysis: English in Academic and Research Settings.

Boston: Cambridge UP, 1990

 

Rhetoric Essay: 1st Draft

When most people think of academic communities, their first thought is of those involved with the social sciences, philosophy, politics or english. Sometimes even the theoretical sciences, such as physics or mathematics. But at first thought no one considers the engineering field to be a discourse community, with active members that debate and discuss topics or situations pertinent to engineers. Many of these groups are academic, such as Stanford University’s engineering college. A group made up of both students, who are new to the field, and professors, who are recognized experts in their subject, Stanford’s engineering college “…conducts research that continues to have a significant impact on society and trains the engineers of the future to meet the challenges of the 21st century”(About the School). This is the statement displayed on the front page of their website, a method of communication that is now frequently used by most communities or groups seeking to get information to the public. The website will almost surely be one of the first things that makes an impression on the outsider, as well as a source of news for members of the community. By examining Stanford’s engineering website, using Swales writings on discourse communities as a guideline, I will determine how well the website fits into the mechanical engineering community as well as the role it plays and what it’s objectives are.

 

As a method of public relations as well as an informational site for engineers, the language of the website is quite varied. On the outside, on pages where information about the visions and goals of the college is brazenly displayed, simple language is used with a mix of emotional words that evoke memories of most speeches or mission statements from non-profit public organizations. Through this mix the community attempts to make it clear to outsiders that they strive to solve all problems and that they love to diversify. But in John Swales’ writings about discourse communities, he creates six criteria that a community must meet to be considered a discourse community. The fifth one of these criteria is that a community must possess it’s own unique lexis that it has developed in order to cultivate more efficient communication between its members. Much in the same way a tool would work in an activity system as described by Cain and Wardle, group-specific lexis are naturally developed as a group focuses more and more on discussing their specific topic. Specific lexi appear commonly in the engineering community in the form of acronyms or short phrases, used to convey long names or complicated concepts respectively. These do appear on Stanford’s engineering website, once you look beyond the title pages and into the news articles posted on the website. Despite their catchy headlines, many of the articles use or relate to complicated theories or methods used in the engineering field, such as ‘machine learning’. In the lexis of engineers, this phrase is used to talk about computers that use algorithms to detect patterns and then adapt to better do their job based on the patterns they detect.Such language as this is found abundantly in the news articles, written by students and professors about work involving the school.The information and vocabulary within these articles is enough to identify the website as a fluent member of the discourse community, despite the use of simple language for recruitment purposes.

 

A community can have all the language it wants, but it becomes useless if there is no means of communication. Intercommunication between community members is the backbone of any community, discourse or otherwise.This is an area where Stanford’s website seems lacking at first. But upon closer review in other areas of the website, it is soon discovered that communication is facilitated, just not in an obvious or conventional method. The website provides a calendar with the school’s upcoming events, news articles as previously mentioned, and ways to find out about collaborations with the school or alumnus projects. The calendar is a good communication tool, and while it only contains events related to Stanford it is still an important information source for outsiders. The news articles accomplish their goal well; they provide quick and easy access to research and experiments done by Stanford, if only at a basic level. Even the section dedicated to collaborations plays a critical role, as it creates a dedicated space for companies to contact Stanford and recruit their students. This is a very important function, as it bridges the gap between the education phase of an engineer’s life and their carer. This is essentially the gateway to the cultivation of Stanford’s goal, as it puts engineers in the field where they can begin to solve problems and “meet the challenges of the 21st century.”

 

But there is one notable area where the website fails to facilitate a discourse community. Intercommunication between members. Stanford’s engineering website provides no means or even connections to means for engineers, or even prospective engineers, to communicate and talk to each other. This is an important piece of the puzzle that is missing, since one of the principal purposes of a discourse community is to debate and discuss the things that bring the community together in the first place.

Classwork 9/14: Paper Thesis

By examining Stanford’s engineering website, using Swales writings on discourse communities as a a guideline, I will determine how well the website fits into the mechanical engineering community as well as the role it plays and what it’s objectives are.

Classwork for 9/12

Conventions and Counter Conventions of the Stanford Engineering Website as a Member of the Engineering Community

  1. Conventions used by Stanford Engineering
    1. Correct level of formality and voice
    2. Talk of big themes and overarching goal of enginnering, “big world” or global problems
    3. Short attention grabbing article headlines about application of research, not actual experiment
    4. Breakdown of engineering into structured disciplines
  2. Conventions not used or Violated by Stanford engineering
    1. Emotional and sensory words used by headlines and articles
    2. Has an article that deals with the impact of a technology on society
    3. Article that deals with no technology and only a social/business survey and proposed solution. No experiment or engineering done

 

Discussion

 

1c. Attention grabbing headlines are common in the news, but are also frequent in the engineering community. It is very important that headlines and titles are clear, concise, and to the point so that an engineer looking to work with a certain item will be able to easily locate or find it and instantly know what it is about. This is also true in the area of engineering research, and the few articles about it on the homepage abide by this convention. The title of one article puts the few important details of discovery right on display,  and by reading two lines I know that the whole write up is about a new plastic with heat dispersing properties.

 

2b. Engineers are trained to work in the physical world, not the social. While it is common and even expected for engineers to know the details of things they design or work on, the large scale analysis of a broad front of new technologies and their impact on global society is not something professional groups of engineers usually spend time discussing. It did stand out immediately as something done outside of convention in order to grab attention.
2c. This Article’s title and content stuck out from the norm and grabbed my attention immediately. It’s title is misleading and attention grabbing, and it’s contents contain no quantitative data whatsoever. It seems entirely out of place, and if reading it out of context one would easily assume it had originated from a social science or business group, not from a website that is meant to deal exclusively with engineering.

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